[Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

Florian Hubold doktor5000 at arcor.de
Wed Jan 11 14:40:33 CET 2012

Am 11.01.2012 10:54, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2012/1/11 Marja van Waes <marja11 at xs4all.nl>:
>> On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>>> 2012/1/3 Michael Scherer<misc at zarb.org>:
>>>> Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
>>>>> Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer:
>>>>>> Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit :
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> Can someone please help to fix bug 1956?
>>>>>>> You don't need to be a regular forum visitor.
>>>>>>> We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD,  needed
>>>>>>> to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled
>>>>>>>  From wobo's comment #32:
>>>>>>> Capabilities needed:
>>>>>>> Well, one could say that anybody who
>>>>>>>   - knows how to run phpBB as admin and
>>>>>>>   - has seen a line of php
>>>>>>>   - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such)
>>>>>>>   - knows how to cut&paste
>>>>>>> should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> one or more).
>>>>>>> I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB
>>>>>>> forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in
>>>>>>> phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of
>>>>>>> problems).
>>>>>>> In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like
>>>>>>>   - open file /foo/bar/doo.php
>>>>>>>   - Find the line which starts with '......'
>>>>>>>   - After that add
>>>>>>>   - "........."
>>>>>>> And more such step-by-step guidance
>>>>>> My eyes start to bleed dues to such "guidances".
>>>>> i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in
>>>>> packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with
>>>>> file
>>>>> edits, that's a whole different thing.
>>>> I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with
>>>> files to deploy in a well know directory .
>>> I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the
>>> standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: "a module
>>> with files to deploy in a well known directory". But in most cases
>>> they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program
>>> tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other
>>> MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO.
>>> This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain
>>> - believe me, I've been there :(
>>> Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already
>>> done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches.
>>> And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not
>>> compatible to your already "modificated" forum software (destroys
>>> other modifications or whatever).
>>> IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our
>>> setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper
>>> way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue  justifies all
>>> the time and work.
>> It would make me very, very happy, does that count a little? If I were sure
>> that I'd be able to learn how to do it, I would now consider to halve the
>> time I use for the Bug Squad and Doc Team and start learning.
> Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's
> remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what
> will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council
> meeting where it was decided to have this mod It looked as the best
> way to please a disturbing minority request, the more as that same
> minority gave the impression that such a MOD could be implemented
> within a reasonable time span. As we see now after 8 months, this was
> never the case.
> Adding the fact that a test period of several months with a much
> looser time-to-edit setting in the German Mageia forum showed not one
> single case of misuse brings me to the conviction that we should
> rather rethink the time-to-edit limitation itself than to waste
> manpower on this issue. Manpower which is needed at more important
> tasks, if I may say.
In general i don't like those +1 posts, but this ^^ one hits the nail on the head.

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