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[Romain d'Alverny]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 22:17, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can see your point, but I feel that it's an elitist and
> counter-productive approach to take. If the Mageia community wants
> true community participation, they should structure things to
> encourage rather than discourage participation..

Definitely, yes.

We're learning. Here we expected more on spontaneous participation to
structure itself around what we provided, but it may have been not
enough*. Opinions obviously diverge here, great.

Let's admit that we don't perceive this the same way. It's not a
matter of being elitist or not, it's a matter of perception and the
balance is somewhere around this. So let's find a better ground from
that.

* looking back, I think that's somehow what did not work as well in
the MDV Assembly MUGs thing.

> And again I ask, If the guidelines were so bloody important, why were
> non-compliant submissions even considered?

Flexibility for some proposals, in the hope authors would notice the
update here (see below) and act upon it spontaneously. Reading your
POV, it failed. But some did react as we expected.

> And if they were important,
> then the extra work was necessary. And really, how hard is it to send
> the same email to a bunch of people?

As said before about this, we expected those very people to be
subscribed to this list; which was obviously a bit too naive guess. Or
not. Again, that's a perception thing.

I guess we still did good: we did get to something great to start
with; before that, some people did follow quite strictly our
guidelines, posted updates; some posted many, many proposals;
discussions happened, on subjective and objective grounds; and, we did
arrive to something. We still can do reasonably better next time for
similar thing. Now, how would we improve the process?

 - have some submission tool that better catalogs proposals/authors
and helps notifying for sure all of them? (and assist for centralized
comments, etc.); we don't have it, had no time to build this to manage
something that already started, so we used what was quickly available
and good enough (Flickr, mailing-list, direct comments, tag-based
lists, epoll); until now, it's still kind of a one-time need;
 - manually do the above? (we could, had we perceived it better or had
we more time to devote to this too);
 - something else?
 - realize that, in the end, it's both how you do it according to
basic needed steps, and how you react to context.

Thanks for your ideas.

Cheers,

Romain