[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
ottosa at gmail.com
Sun May 22 02:19:50 CEST 2011
There is also a script called "tuningdrake" developed from
http://blogdrake.net/ that the user could install a lot of non-free stuffs
like sun java, adobe acrobat, etc. It works on mageia with that code
You can read about it from mandriva Brazil wiki at
2011/5/21 Michael scherer <misc at zarb.org>
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
> > >On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
> > ><renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:
> > >>Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched
> > >>
> > >
> > >No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
> > >mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
> > >replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
> > >default.
> > Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this
> > across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't
> > and how and why people have "mainly" used easyurpmi in the past. How do
> > know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
> > easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize
> > atypical I was.
> Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :
> - it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not.
> group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to
> listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer
> to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories.
> Despites having wrote
> docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi
> out of
> some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).
> This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X
> instances of the software.
> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a
> php coder, and
> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation
> system is
> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite,
> people fixing various problem.
> - the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user
> cannot find by
> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need
> to type as root,
> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on
> many levels :
> - difficult to find for a new user.
> - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your
> browser and type after your
> admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to
> - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that
> use rpmdrake or
> that fail silently )
> There is also some issue like "it requires a web browser" ( which is highly
> problematic when you
> are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And "it doesn't use ssl" (
> which is rather bad for a site that give you
> basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite
> curious that no one
> thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about
> the content of a file that end
> to be read by a software running as root.
> The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of
> the nature of PLF/Mandriva.
> The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work.
> The power struggle
> part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is
> a official instance
> on Mageia servers.
> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted
> disabled by default and maybe
> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others
> problems (
> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if
> they want, but I will
> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled
> as official, and
> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
> Michael Scherer
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