[Mageia-discuss] Is LTS still considered?
Juan R. de Silva
juan.r.d.silva at gmail.com
Thu Nov 3 04:25:40 CET 2011
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:28:45 -0400, andre999 wrote:
> As for the "Smart-Phone madness", as you put it, I couldn't agree more.
> Being a Gnome user, that affects me directly, and although initially
> Gnome will have the classic Gnome appearance available, who knows about
> the future.
Well, GNOME "classic" is classic only of appearance. Underneath of it is
completely castrated GNOME 3. Unfortunately even the "Smart-Phone
madness" is only half of the trouble.
There were a lot of clashes surrounding 2 rivals GUI, GNOME 3 Shell and
Unity. Interestingly enough though nobody ever (AFAIK) mentioned that
whatever GUI would be, either GNOME 3 Shell, or Unity, or even GNOME
"classic", the problem is GNOME 3 itself.
I do not know what would be its future, but today it looks like it is
deliberately designed as NOT CUSTOMIZABLE DE. It's a nonsense - NOT
CUSTOMIZABLE Linux DE.
People can agree or disagree on interface, e.g. out of 2 bad things I
personally would prefer Unity. But this would be my personal preference
and it's unproductive to be argued. But lack of customisation is
absolutely unacceptable and crazy idea.
> There are other desktops which use much of the Gnome
> infrastructure which will likely continue a more classic presentation.
I've tried both XFCE and LXDE of different distributions. Out of two XFCE
is definitely more advanced. But even it is quite significant step back
from GNOME 2.
> As well, Mageia has KDE. We intend to keep supporting a wide range of
No offence, but for years I used to say that I never could stand KDE.
Today I have installed Kubuntu and Mageia and I've learned to appreciate
it. I'm joking on myself saying:"What takes to make hardheaded one to
like KDE?.. GNOME 3."
> BTW, it would be interesting to know what exactly you don't like about
> the Mageia Control Centre. The more feedback we have, the more we can
> address any perceived weaknesses. In addition to the ideas we already
> have, collectively.
My post already looks like an essay. I'm not sure this is the right place
for an extended feedback. I'll post it here for now. But if you could
suggest a more appropriate place to do it, I would appreciate it. So,
here we go...
The problem general to Drak Control Center is inconsistency between GUI
interfaces of particular tools.
Some of them provide OK and/or Cancel buttons, which close a particular
tool and return a user to main Control Center window. IMHO, it is not
very obvious that clicking such a button will bring you back to the main
Others provide a File->Close option instead. The result of such selection
is not obvious again, and in addition is yet to be discovered.
Again to return to the main window from other tools the only option
available is to click on Close button at the right top corner of the
window. The last leaves a definite impression of shutting down Control
Some particular Control Center tools.
1. A tool called "Vew and search system logs".
1.1 Please pay attention, it is not called "Search system logs" which in
reality it is, since I've not found any way to view any particular log in
its entirety using this tool.
1.2. "Content of the file" pan is not resizable. If the findings are
numerous, it's like looking at them through a coin slot and is extremely
1.3 There is no way to add any particular log a user would like to see
(OK, "to search" through). Instead a rather limited number of options is
IMHO, though it is not the best, the stock KDE log viewer is actually way
better and convenient to use.
2. I hated these countless piling up dialog boxes in Control Center tools
in general and Mageia Software Management tool specifically.
2.1 When you click on Update Your System icon 2 dialog boxes pile up on
top of each other both carrying the same message:"Please wait." The only
difference between them is that one disappears way faster then its
2.2 Some of the mentioned dialog boxes pop up not taking in account the
location of their respective parent window. Some of them pop up at the
bottom left corner of the desktop though their parent window is placed
anywhere else, e.g. at the Desktop center. Yet others pop up at the top
left corner of their parent window and are so small that their short
title or message cannot be displayed in its entirety.
A lot of time these dialog boxes repeat the information already provided
by their parent window and/or ask to confirm an action already explicitly
accepted by the user in the parent window.
E.g. Mageia Control Center shows a number of packages to be updated with
their respective version numbers. As soon as the user clicks Update
button a new dialog box is open (at the bottom left corner of the
desktop, never mind were the parent window is) with the message:"The
following packages are going to be installed. Is it OK to continue?"
and... It lists the same packages the user already accepted to be
installed by clicking Update button. The only new information provided
here is the total size of install.
After the user clicks OK another dialog box appears showing progress of
each specific file in update. IMHO it would be way nicer to show progress
of each individual update in the parent window itself.
2.3 The total update progress is not available to the user. Such
information information would be way more valuable than the progress of
each individual file, especially when there is a large number of files to
2.4 Once being notified of updates available, I tried to run urpmi to
update my system from console. After urpmi completed update I almost
immediately get a notification from Software Management tool again. I
opened it and found the same list of files I'd just updated with urpmi.
Out of curiosity I accepted and drak as a "good boy" downloaded once
again the same long list of software and installed them again.
I admit I am not aware yet of urpmi, rpm and Software Management tool
relationship. I do miss some knowledge here, since I've never used
neither Mandriva nor certainly Mageia before. But I was expecting
something I get used to on deb based systems. On them, if I see a GUI
notification of updates available but choose to open terminal and run
'apt-get upgrade', the notification goes away right after apt-get
completes the update. The same happens if in Fedora I would run 'yum
upgrade' from console, notifications from GUI goes away.
Boy, I wonder if you or somebody else would read up to the end... :-)
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