[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config

Marja van Waes marja11 at xs4all.nl
Thu Mar 22 07:21:53 CET 2012

On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold<doktor5000 at arcor.de>:
>> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Maât:
>>> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny<rdalverny at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
>>>>    * Sysadmins group:
>>>>      - removed;
>>>>    * Administrators group:
>>>>      - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
>>>> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
>>>> managed by them directly;
>>>>      - added boklm as leader;
>>>>      - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
>>>> for several months;
>>>>      - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
>>> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
>>> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
>>> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
>>> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
>>> created in LDAP directory)
>>>>    * Moderators group:
>>>>      - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
>>>> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
>>>> moderators already operate).
>>>> So now:
>>>>    - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
>>>> admin&    moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
>>>>    - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
>>>> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
>>>> Administrators and Moderators groups;
>>>>    - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
>>>> r.
>>> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
>>>   * Separation of forum administration on several "roles" which... oh
>>>     well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
>>>     me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
>>>   * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
>>>     mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
>>>     testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
>>>     pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
>>>     minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
>>>     mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
>>>     chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
>>>     god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
>>>     this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
>>>     get into)
>>> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
>>> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
>> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
>>> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
>>> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
>>> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
>>> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
>>> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
>>> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
>>> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
>> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
>> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?

TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is 
still around.

Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?

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