[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

Thomas Backlund tmb at mageia.org
Mon Jun 4 21:21:14 CEST 2012

04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
>> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
>>> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>>> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
>>>   gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
>>>   must not do, it is better to not respond.
>> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
> I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
> process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with

Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :)

> me saying "I prefer"... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
> any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
> instructions on what Mageia should so.

Nope, I didn't take it that way...

I just pointed out that the  distro <-> DE symbiosis need to be
considered from both POV.

>>> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
>> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
>> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
>>> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
>>>   need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
>>>   should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
>>>   is long term and difficult.
>> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
>> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
> Power I fully agree with.
>> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
>> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
>> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
>> and you are done.
> Depends on who is giving the support.

So true.

>> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
>> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
> Indeed.
>> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
>> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
> To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
> sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
> like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
> own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
> just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
> with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.

Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly

> Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
> does.. nothing more.

Same here,



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