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[Wolfgang Bornath]

2010/9/22 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :
>
>> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
>> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
>> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
>> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
>> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
>
> Well, no for several reasons:
>
> 1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
> And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
> non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
> simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ).
>
> 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
>
> - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
> didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
> stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
> important or not )
>
> - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
> allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
> interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
>
> - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
>
> - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
> to highlight post with keyword )
>
> - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
> specialized ml will appear )
>
> - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
> git with git am )
>
> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
>
> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
> part )
>
> So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
> one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
>
>
> Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
> seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
> in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
> changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
> that still reflect my thoughts.
>
> Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
> Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
> task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
> the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
> everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
> get on the forum.
>
> So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
> not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
> reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
> and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
> have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
> mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
> with a user forums.
>
> When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",
> or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
> only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
> packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
>
> --
> Michael Scherer
>
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Sounds familiar.
Said with a friendly voice :)

wobo