[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!

Thomas Backlund tmb at mageia.org
Sat Jun 11 12:44:35 CEST 2011

On 11.6.2011 10:44, andre999 wrote:
> Patricia Fraser a écrit :
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dick Gevers<dvgevers at xs4all.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:51:22 +0200, Patricia Fraser wrote about
>>>> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> For our reading pleasure (and consideration):
>>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2076258/impressions-mageia-linux
>>>>> Kudos to these guys
>>>> And to you!
>>> The only big problem they mention is the lack of decent video
>>> drivers for both Ati and Nvidia in the DVD. Will Mageia ever have
>>> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that
>>> Mandriva has?
>>> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the
>>> original reasons of why they are not.
> In my mind, misplaced ideology.  The arguments were that non-free drivers should not be on a
> nominally "free" dvd.  I say nominally because even the kernel contains technically non-free code.

Proof please. what in the _kernel_ is non-free ?

> Let's make the focus "working out of the box".
> If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver does not exist, so be it.
> After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's proprietary hardware work properly.
> And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include the proprietary driver.

You know we are promoting open source, not closed stuff...

And you dont see users on MS side complain when they have to download 
drivers from vendor site (or install it separately from a vendor 
provided cd/dvd)

What we missed in Ati case is a fallback to non-KMS mode when firmware 
is missing. So the ati driver do work without nonfree stuff too.

And people should also learn to check if hw is properly supported by
open source before buying.

We also need to educate endusers that not all hw vendors are 
"os-friendly" so lets support those that are...

> The purists can be accommodated by warnings which would require their confirmation to install any
> required non-free software.
> The last thing we need is driving potential users away from Mageia (and Linux in general) by an
> installation that doesn't work properly.
>> The T42 they used is quite old, and that model of IBM Thinkpad had
>> a problematic Radeon card - I had loads of trouble with mine under
>> Mandriva, even when using the proprietary drivers.
> The review pointed out that after an Internet search which identified the needed driver, they
> downloaded the proprietary driver, which worked properly.  So it was _not_ a hardware problem.
> Note that this would have been a difficult problem to solve for the average new Linux user.

Not a driver, only missing firmware.

> They summarized :
> "Overall, our opinion is that this first release of Mageia does what the team set out to do. Namely
> to build a clean and attractive derivative of Mandriva. Now, if the developers will revisit their
> decision not to distribute proprietary video software drivers on the installation media for those
> users who need them, we'd say that Mageia seems to have bright future ahead of it."
> So let's eliminate this negative.

Or teach people about _real_ open source...


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