[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

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Op maandag 24 september 2012 13:33:49 schreef Thomas Backlund:
> zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
> > Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
> >> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
> >> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
> >> and so on...
> > 
> > Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
> > number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
> > decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
> > keep the same numbers of medias.
> 
> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
> 
> I meant it only as a response to the:
> "it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users."
> 
> > As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
> > Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
> > 
> > - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
> > - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
> > boot.iso media.
> > - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
> > shops).
> 
> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
> 
> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
> do get slower to boot...
> 
> > Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
> > install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
> > of QA people!
> 
> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
> we do need to reduce the media sets...
> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD ("works everywhere")
> - 1 i586 KDE english   liveCD ("works everywhere")
> 
> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
> - 1 i586 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
> 
> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
> - 1 x86_64 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
> 
> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -> 6
> 
> 
> And as data point...
> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
> 
> 
> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
> questions:
> 
> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
> 
> Then we get the complaints:
> - "why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME"?
> - "why should I need to download  GNOME stuff when I want KDE"?
> - "why ..."

how about adding 32bit/64bit to one liveDVD, bringing total livemedia to 4 ?




> and the technical side:
> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
>    also giving more problem for little if any gain....
> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
> - ...
> 
> --
> 
> Thomas