[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

[Samuel Verschelde]

Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 05:24:22, Olav Dahlum a écrit :
> 
>  On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote:
> > Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
> >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
> >>>> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
> >>>> company) would be a voice among others.
> >>> Well...
> >>>
> >>> >From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
> >>>
> >>> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
> >>>  1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
> >>>
> >>> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
> >>> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
> >>> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
> >>> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
> >>> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
> >>> don't see this over there at this time.
> >>>
> >>>  2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
> >>>
> >>> blog post is empty to me).
> >> I completly agree with this.
> >>
> >> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
> >> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >
> > Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad 
> > feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. 
> >
> > If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should 
> > be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would 
> > love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
> >
> > The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make 
> > to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between 
> > Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
> >
> > When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could 
> > indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration 
> > possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like 
> > a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
> >
> > Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
> >
> > - Jostein Hauge (jess)
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> 
> Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
> the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
> I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
> the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
> all over again.
> If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
> think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
> into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
> based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
> goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
> The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
> more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
> could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
> Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
> situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
> the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
> others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
> development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
> company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
> good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
> the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
> their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
> their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
> if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
> people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
> keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
> between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
> both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
> FLOSS software.
> 

I second that.

Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.

And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying "I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva", but rather the more nuanced "I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva" !

Naïve point of view of mine ?

Regards

Samuel Verschelde