[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency

Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanraes at gmail.com
Thu Sep 30 01:16:50 CEST 2010

Op donderdag 30 september 2010 01:00:50 schreef Per Øyvind Karlsen:
> 2010/9/29 Olivier Méjean <omejean at yahoo.fr>:
> > Hello there !!
> > 
> > Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them
> > !
> > 
> > About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been
> > limited. Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give
> > to mageia project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned
> > paypal, i sent paypal many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal
> > and yesterday we were pleased to know that our paypal account was
> > verified so no more limitation, we can overtake the limit of 2000€, and
> > it is overtaken.
> > 
> > While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on
> > each donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79€ but commission
> > removed the donations are 2851.9€, a bit more than 4% of commission
> > (well the real commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the
> > amount). Donations using paypal are ranging from 3 to 500€
> > 
> > Bank transfert allows to get 1810€ and bank check 75€, to give 4736.9€
> > 
> > 
> > The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess
> > Maât, who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him
> > some nice job by adding new languages! For example, what about greek ,
> > finnish, swedish (or norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian
> > announcements? Yes !! So translators, have a look at
> > http://donate.mageia.org/ translate it and send it and Maât will be very
> > happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another language
> > I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Maât you
> > are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
> > congratulate him, he likes it :þ
> > 
> > We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
> > account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days,
> > but no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving
> > donations.
> > 
> > I was about to forget, as Maât said in a previous mail, « Mageia IS
> > definetely the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of
> > Life, The Universe, and Everything »
> > 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin
> > g#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_
> > .2842.29>
> > 
> > <http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-
> > DonationMageia424242.png>
> > 
> > I stop here, next step 10,000€ ? Ok ?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Olivier Méjean
> > Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva
> > Linux http://mandrivafr.org
> > twitter : obagoom
> > identi.ca : goom
> *cough*
> Not that I'll expect anything but  heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
> but raising a question..
> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
> such as Mandriva..?
> Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that
> what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and
> involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less
> assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the
> work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that
> might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final
> details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a
> proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked
> out around..?
> Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil
> thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and
> then some before first, earlier, afterwards,
> pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not
> fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the
> company you want to distanse you from..
> Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or
> announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining
> it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a
> bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset,
> especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure
> put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting
> expectations..
> Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol'
> nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this
> answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able
> to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals
> easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of
> us. \o/
> Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving
> will protect you! ;)
> --
> Hugz&kizzez<3
> Per Øyvind

imo; i think the major point all of us want to have and agree on is to have 
more community input in the distribution.

and iirc, donation button and the like was suggested by people in the 
community themselves.

otoh, i can understand you need funding to get started as well.

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