[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection

Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 15 06:40:43 CEST 2010

On 14 October 2010 01:18, Graham Lauder <yorick_ at openoffice.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>> 2010/10/13 Marc Paré <marc at marcpare.com>:
>> > I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
>> > that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
>> > that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
>> > groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
>> > presenting our suggestions.
>> As I wrote I do agree as well.
>> > This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
>> > overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
>> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote "identifying target markets", may be I
>> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
>> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
>> while doing that "indentifying target markets", whenever that will be.
>> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
>> targets as "young couples" and the like, basing the procedure on
>> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
> Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's
> like talking to a brick wall and actually you proved my point about target
> markets by suggesting the vast and incalculable differences between Germany
> and the rest of the OECD.
> However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of
> grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do,
> unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone
> in the world of all ages.  Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able
> to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying
> "Everybody in MY demographic"
> The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of
> distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets
> and branded to that market,  The major competitor works effectively in a
> Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on
> marketing and you think they don't target markets!
> We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so,
> that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
> The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal
> experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling
> linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the
> small network support model was functioning.
> Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according
> to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success
> is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your
> average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network
> (MS's greatest strength).
> The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of
> factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of
> Saatchis calls  'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an
> example).
> Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not.  Apple's
> target is young, high disposable income, singles.  To me that's obvious and I
> could prove that, but I was told that "Apple Targets everyone"  ???? naturally
> by someone in that demographic.
> Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
> We need to get on with it  and no matter what there is an absolute given:
> "You cannot please all of the people all of the time"
> Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even
> identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive
> alternatives will be well received.
> Cheers
> GL

Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
a word you say.

Now I've known wobo more than I've known you; he's proven over the
years to be a level-headed person so, no, talking to him is not like
"talking to a brick wall". Note that he could have said the same thing
about you.

If you ask me, personally I'd take his word when it comes to Germany,
the concept of the "man on the ground knows more" always applies, he
lives there he sees everyday, so excuse me when I say that his
knowledge about his own country is better than anyone who live half
way across the globe.

Ahmad Samir

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