[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

Leandro Dorileo ldorileo at gmail.com
Fri Dec 3 16:44:03 CET 2010

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Daniel Kreuter
<daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/03/2010 10:21 AM, andre999 wrote:
>> Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
>>> Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
>>>> ADDING to what i just wrote:
>>>>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
>>>>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
>>>>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
>>>>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
>>>>> Citing proyvind from last link:
>>>>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
>>>>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
>>>>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
>>>> - i forgot to paste the best part:
>>>> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
>>>> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
>>>> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
>>>> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even
>>>> more
>>>> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
>>>>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
>>>>> with them on.
>>> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
>>> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
>>> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a
>>> testrun
>>> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a
>>> for
>>> sure stable version of it.
>> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a while
>> now ...
>> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he was
>> recently hired to do just that, with full support of management.
>> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather changing
>> the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it.
>> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of
>> their tools will be based on rpm5.
>> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly many
>> developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the bugs he
>> created.  And then they learned about the planned switch.
>> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :)
>> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a big
>> asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later.
>> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ?
> At the start we should use RPM4 because it is proven to be stable.
> Let's wait until RPM5 will be stable in Mandriva and after that we can move
> to RPM5

I do agree and Mageia has already a release roadmap to follow and I
believe there`s no time left for a rpm5 turn.

Leandro Dorileo

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