[Mageia-marketing] Consolidation of email list and forum mediums

Bradley D. Thornton Bradley at NorthTech.US
Tue Jan 25 00:01:08 CET 2011

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On 01/24/2011 02:14 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> 2011/1/24 Bradley D. Thornton <Bradley at northtech.us>:
>> On 01/24/2011 01:04 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>>> There is already a list2forum gateway in place, created and maintained
>>> by tux99
>>> http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/
>> Oh, sweet! He's using FudForum - one of my favs and  stable as all getup!
>> Romain, don't you think we should have a link to the forum on the wiki page?
> It is not a Mageia activity. I don't know...

Well to finalize this consolodation we'll either need a commitment from
*tux99* to continue to provide forum services for our marcom lists or
we'll need to implement a new forum that is integrated w/the marcom
email lists.

I would be happy either way, and at this point it appears as if we're
supported w/the FudForum implementation at http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum

>> Yes, The last messages are from November, while other lists are as
>> current as today.
> The old messages are in a section of that forum, not related to the
> lists, as much as I have seen.

Oh, so it's never been integrated w/a forum<==>list gateway?

That would expalain why I don't see any messages from the list :)

>> Also, as it is pointed out at the link above, One is still required to
>> subscribe to the mailing list in order for their forum posts to
>> propagate to the list.
> Yes. We have a web gui where you can subscribe to the lists:
> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/

That's not what I was referring to. Most forum software, when you
implement an email list gateway, requires you to register in the forums
with the same email address (This FudForum implementation is no
different, as per the instructions there) that you are subscribed to the
email list(s) with.

So, if I'm subscribed to an email list as 'billg at msn.com', then I need
to be registered with the forum software as having the same email
address - otherwise, my posts won't show up on the email list.

This is a security feature, and it's not recommended to change this
(although one could). It  prevents people not subscribed to the email
list that are registered with the forum software from posting into one
of the gateway'ed forums and those posts ending up on the email list(s).

Right now I'm waiting for my forum subscription to be approved so I can
begin testing to see if it works.

Basically, most *Mailman* email listservers URLs can be found at
http://SLD.TLD/mailman/listinfo - this is the case with Mageia, which
follows the standard vanilla install.

You'll typically only see different URLs on shared hosting services
where, for example, cPanel/WHM are implemented.

> As you can see all these lists are platforms of contributors. The
> forum will be mostly for userland but as we have seen at Mandriva we
> need a bridge between these entities.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by, "...these lists are
platforms of contributors."

I don't see that. From what I see, there is only one Mailman Listserver,
located at http://mageia.org/mailman/listinfo, and checking the RFC
headers from mails I'm receiving from various lists I'm subscribed to
there reveals (certainly appears) that it is a single instance of a
Mailman listerver installed.

All the (various) list mailings I'm receiving are coming from the same
MX severs.

>> I've built many of both, and I just don't have the problems w/FudForum
>> that I do with PhpBB.
> Again, your mileage may differ. I have been running phpBB3 with
> MandrivaUser.de for a year now, no problems at all + it is easy to
> customize + it plays nicely with LDAP, which is essential.
> But I think the (technical) forum people can say more about this.

Yes, I've been building and hosting various services for more than a
couple of decades, and I've seen forum software come and go. PhpBB is
nice, and full featured, yet since it is the most popular, there have
been more exploits revealed for it, requiring us to perform more than
the usual amount of patches and upgrades in keeping it secure.

wrt both PhpBB and FudForum, I've only had to apply a security patch
twice for FudForum, and more than 15 patches or upgrades to PhpBB  over
the span of the last decade or so.

Regardless, they're both good, as long as you maintain them and
subscribe to the security lists so you can apply timely patches.

It doesn't matter to me which one we use, and there are many other fine
forum packages out there as well....

But, if the existing one's are going to be a pain to administer, or are
too hard for n00bs to find, then I would suggest we implement this with
our existing hosting solutions on the mageia.org domain.

Irrespective of which solution(s) we opt for, having the link to both
the mailing list(s) as well as the forum(s) on the marcom wiki page is
important, since that is the central point of entrance and information
for our group's activities.

Kindest regards,

- -- 
Bradley D. Thornton
Manager Network Services
NorthTech Computer
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