[Mageia-webteam] Request of formal approval for mageiaitalia.org

Michael Scherer misc at zarb.org
Sun May 15 12:37:47 CEST 2011

Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 21:33 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
> Hi Marcello,
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 17:14, Marcello Anni <marcello.anni at alice.it> wrote:
> > i set up a powerful framework for the italian community:
> >
> > http://www.mageiaitalia.org/
> That's cool!
> > can we have the official approval by the web-team and a redirect from mageia.org
> > to our website? thanks
> Oliver and wobo already provided some points about it and I tend to
> agree with them. There are lots of things that are waiting for people
> to join, help and build under mageia.org.
> It's cool and great too to foster local energies in a more dynamic
> space (your site), no question about it. But the global mageia.org
> effort is in need for joint efforts. So if you feel there is something
> missing, even if it may take more time, it's important to take this
> time to explain, advocate, and even more importantly, help building
> and build what may be missing.
> What is "official" is in mageia.org and is, as much as possible,
> global, through all locales hosted on mageia.org (and here we rely
> heavily on translators and web developers). It's a permanent work in
> progress. We have plans. It takes time. That doesn't prevent from
> having local initiatives and efforts, but we can't count this as
> official if it's not designed thought in a global scope.

While I am slightly late, I would also add that we cannot really tell
something is official if we cannot even see how it is managed and how it
work. We cannot judge based on plans, so I would defer the discussion
and in the mean time, clarify some points :

what it mean to be official ? 
( to me, it would be managed by mageia.org association and on a
mageia.org subdomain, but maybe others have different views and
different perspectives than the one of a sysadmin ).

Does it make sense at all, in fact, what would it bring, what would it
impact ? ( I guess the presence on some list of website to drive traffic
would be the primary motivation, or some other form of exposure )

What to do if 2 competing services, on the same country, language, etc
appear ? Do we have to choose one, do we have to give a equal treatment
to both ( which would then cause subtle issues like the non unicity in
various part of the system, like having a potential redirection of
something like it.community.mageia.org to 2 different sites ) ?

How do we manage the brand and trademark, what if a site decide to
become commercial ( happening with german community at opensuse at the
moment ) ?

> What we can do, though, is, as proposed, provide mageiaitalia.org as
> the Italian-speaking forum and local community (for support and such)
> - that leaves you the possibility to manage it as such. But that
> should not prevent mageia.org/it to be maintained as well, and Italian
> contributors to help push the global mageia.org thing further ahead.

I agree, we should indeed simply list "here is local community", add
some light process ( like "be there since enough time to demonstrate
that it will be sustainable", "be managed by a non-for-profit group, or
by individuals" or anything we see fit ).

And also add clear instructions of who to contact to be listed on the
page, what to expect, what to prepare, etc. 

And make sure that we from time to time check that the site still exist,
etc. And make clear that we do not manage them. 

Michael Scherer

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