[Mageia-webteam] Request of formal approval for mageiaitalia.org

Wolfgang Bornath molch.b at googlemail.com
Sun May 15 13:30:07 CEST 2011

2011/5/15 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
> Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 21:33 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
>> Hi Marcello,
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 17:14, Marcello Anni <marcello.anni at alice.it> wrote:
>> > i set up a powerful framework for the italian community:
>> >
>> > http://www.mageiaitalia.org/
>> That's cool!
>> > can we have the official approval by the web-team and a redirect from mageia.org
>> > to our website? thanks
>> Oliver and wobo already provided some points about it and I tend to
>> agree with them. There are lots of things that are waiting for people
>> to join, help and build under mageia.org.
>> It's cool and great too to foster local energies in a more dynamic
>> space (your site), no question about it. But the global mageia.org
>> effort is in need for joint efforts. So if you feel there is something
>> missing, even if it may take more time, it's important to take this
>> time to explain, advocate, and even more importantly, help building
>> and build what may be missing.
>> What is "official" is in mageia.org and is, as much as possible,
>> global, through all locales hosted on mageia.org (and here we rely
>> heavily on translators and web developers). It's a permanent work in
>> progress. We have plans. It takes time. That doesn't prevent from
>> having local initiatives and efforts, but we can't count this as
>> official if it's not designed thought in a global scope.
> While I am slightly late, I would also add that we cannot really tell
> something is official if we cannot even see how it is managed and how it
> work. We cannot judge based on plans, so I would defer the discussion
> and in the mean time, clarify some points :
> what it mean to be official ?
> ( to me, it would be managed by mageia.org association and on a
> mageia.org subdomain, but maybe others have different views and
> different perspectives than the one of a sysadmin ).

Not only from a sysadmin's POV but also from a user's POV. If a user
is looking for some clarification, let's say about the position of
Mageia.Org related to some issue - where does he should turn to?
Exactly: the official website of the organisation. Having a local page
is noce of course but for official information users have to turn to
the address mageia,org.
In consequence it would be much easier for the user having a page in
his language under the official site structure (ex:
http://mageia.org/it ) than any address outside where he can not know
about the status.

> What to do if 2 competing services, on the same country, language, etc
> appear ? Do we have to choose one, do we have to give a equal treatment
> to both ( which would then cause subtle issues like the non unicity in
> various part of the system, like having a potential redirection of
> something like it.community.mageia.org to 2 different sites ) ?

Somebody remembering the issue about 2 different italian Mandriva
sites, each claiming to be the official one? I'm not pointing my
finger to the Italians, this could happen in every language community.
The more important is it to make a point in having "official" sites
only under the mageia.org website structure.

> I agree, we should indeed simply list "here is local community", add
> some light process ( like "be there since enough time to demonstrate
> that it will be sustainable", "be managed by a non-for-profit group, or
> by individuals" or anything we see fit ).

A local forum is a whole other story, from the beginning we proposed
to have local forums either on a local site or in the
forums.mageia.org structure. A forum also is different to a website,
it is the home, meeting, and support place for the users, not the
place where you point to for official information (of course in every
forum you can quote and link the official website).

> And make sure that we from time to time check that the site still exist,
> etc. And make clear that we do not manage them.



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