[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

[Pascal Terjan]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble:
>> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit :
>>>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
>>> [...]
>>>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media
>>>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with
>>>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when
>>>> upgrading (AIUI).
>>>
>>> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for
>>> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this.
>> Indeed.
>>
>> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to
>> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual
>> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the
>> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one.
>
> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively
> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via
> systemd itself.
>
> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called
> "system-logger" or something more generic.
>
> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's
> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in
> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running.

I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a
traditional syslog