[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

[Colin Guthrie]

'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 07/02/13 15:35 did gyre and gimble:
> --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
>> From: Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie>
>> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl
>> To: "Mageia development mailing-list" <mageia-dev at mageia.org>
>> Cc: "David Walser" <luigiwalser at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:56 AM
>> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
>> 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
>>> Colin Guthrie <mageia at ...> writes:
>>>> Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there
>> is any argument that
>>>> would suggest the removal from the repositories or
>> obsoletion of rsyslog
>>>> or syslog-ng etc.
>>>
>>> I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in
>> the past.  I thought
>>> it was odd that the idea of obsoleting them came up
>> yesterday in the packager
>>> meeting, but it did.  The main reason was wanting
>> to know if rsyslog should
>>> still be on the DVD, in case of users using it to
>> upgrade from Mageia 2.
>>>
>>> It may be the case that not upgrading that particular
>> package during the DVD
>>> upgrade won't *break* anything and it can just be
>> upgraded after the system
>>> is booted and urpmi sources are added, in which case it
>> doesn't *need* to be
>>> on the DVD.  Otherwise, we should make sure it's
>> on there.
>>
>> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the
>> physical media
>> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd
>> package with
>> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be
>> removed when
>> upgrading (AIUI).
> 
> I don't agree with unexpectedly forcibly removing it from people's systems.
> 
> Do we even know if it hurts anything to leave the mga2 package installed for a few minutes?

rsyslog and it's packaging in relation to systemd has certainly changed
a lot... dunno exactly how much harm it would do but it would be a
combination we'd need to cover in QA to make sure.

Better if it can just be avoided if possible (i.e. include it on the
physical media for now).

Col


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