[Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen

[AL13N]

i didn't want to be seen as offensive here, this was just a remark from what 
i've seen, and was odd TO ME. and i'm definately not the allknowing god here.

wrt to the specifics, that's not what i'm talking about. if i thought these 
were bugs that *needed* fixing, it'd have filed them as such, these are merely 
observations i made. perhaps some can easily be improved, perhaps not.

regardless of that, if something would be wrong (and i'm not saying it is), 
lack of manpower doesn't remove it's wrongness, it just means it's not as 
important and it's something for later. (and besides *wrong* is often quite 
relative)

to *what* you are saying i don't disagree at all... the way you say it does 
come off as a bit defensive. as if you took my original message as an annoyance 
and an offensive statement (which i definately didn't mean to do)

no hard feelings...

Op vrijdag 4 januari 2013 18:51:20 schreef nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr:
> 1- do you think we have manpower for this ? i think not and that we have
> more import pbs to deal with, as we have firefox requiring gtk, mcc,
> system-config-printer, ... so kscreensaver too i don't think this is a big
> deal
> 
> 6- gwenview can use ALL kipi-plugins and this is a suggests, i WON'T remove
> this never.
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "AL13N" <alien at rmail.be>
> À: mageia-dev at mageia.org
> Cc: "nicolas lecureuil" <nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr>
> Envoyé: Vendredi 4 Janvier 2013 18:45:14
> Objet: Re: [Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen
> 
> i completely understand your point, i'm not saying these are packaging
> mistakes at all.
> 
> but for something qt, it doesn't make much sense to have gnome-keyring code,
> except for when there would be kwallet and gnome-keyring plugins.
> 
> 1. this more that xscreensaver requires chbg (does kscreensaver use this
> part? if not, maybe xscreensaver can be packaged separately), or chbg
> requires gtk+ code (maybe recode would be better to be gtk/qt independant)
> 
> 6. about gwenview, does it actually use these kipi-plugins all the time?
> does it use all of them, or just some kipi-plugins (if they are available).
> if latter, it might be better to suggest the specific ones alone, instead
> of all of them.
> 
> 2, i understand for skype, but it's quite the dirty solution, perhaps a
> getter with requirements is better than just having everyone installing
> 32deps...
> 
> 
> this indeed is a list of links that exist that i found odd, since they could
> be more abstract written and thus not directly link to each other.
> Op vrijdag 4 januari 2013 18:30:35 schreef nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr:
> > i have not answered to all, but nothing weird at all for me here, except
> > if
> > you want to recode all to remove  the deps you don't like.
> > 
> > 1- xscreensaver is needed by kscreensaver, so nothing weird on the
> > packaging side. 2- this is needed for skype, if we don't this will not
> > work this is needed. 3- Because the code doesn't use phonon but
> > gstreamer, complain to qtwebkit devs. ( i think i don't tell mistakes
> > here ) 6- gwenview can use kipi-plugins so this is a suggests, this is
> > not weird at all, this just show you write about stuff you don't know and
> > softs you don't use ;) 7- hum this is normal.
> > 8- this is normal this is to help to migrate windows accounts, so this is
> > completly normal
> > 
> > ----- Mail original -----
> > De: "AL13N" <alien at rmail.be>
> > À: mageia-dev at mageia.org
> > Envoyé: Vendredi 4 Janvier 2013 17:49:08
> > Objet: [Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen
> > 
> > 1. KDE requires gtk+
> > 2. pulseaudio suggests it's i586 counterparts (plz don't)
> > 3. qtwebkit requires gstreamer (not phonon)
> > 4. KDE requires packagekit
> > 5. hugin requires make
> > 6. kipi-plugins suggested by gwenview
> > 7. system-config-printer pulls in quite some gnome
> > 8. transfugdrake required by userdrake
> > 9. qtwebkit requires gnome-keyring
> > 
> > 1. kdeartwork requires xscreensaver, which requires chgb, which requires
> > gtk+ 2. in spec file, requested for closed source 3rd party binaries that
> > are 32bit 3. libqtwebkit requires gstreamer directly... why not phonon
> > 4. libqtwebkit requires also gst-install-plugin-helper and requires
> > packagekit 5. hugin directly requires make... why would a gui require a
> > buildtool? 6. gwenview really uses all kipi-plugins?
> > 7. gnome-icon-theme,gnome-python,gnome-python-gnomekeyring _required_ by
> > s-c-p system-config-printer MUST have a gnome keyring? that would be
> > odd...
> > 8. transfugdrake required by userdrake... odd
> > 9. qtwebkit requires soup, requires lib64gnome-keyring, suggests
> > gnome-keyring