[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

Olav Vitters olav at vitters.nl
Mon Jun 4 19:32:47 CEST 2012

On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl>:
> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
> >> Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
> >> people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
> >> iBus...
> >>
> >> Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
> >>
> >> 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
> >> setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
> >> mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
> >
> > As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
> > works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
> > for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
> > if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
> > other things, etc.
> > I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
> And here we have the main point, the difference between Gnome and
> everybody else.

I'm not interested into turning this into an us vs them thread.

> Gnome is a mere desktop environment, nothing more and nothing less. Period.
> And it is not the only desktop environment nor the only way a user can
> use the desktop. So the gnome-control-center must restrict itself to
> settings which concern Gnome,  nothing else. Same as the KDE
> control-center should do.

- Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
  gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
  must not do, it is better to not respond.
- I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
- Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
  need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
  should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
  is long term and difficult.

> Very simple and easy to understand reason: Not everbody uses Gnome or
> KDE. If system settings will be done by Gnome and KDE control-centers,
> we'd still need yet another "setting-center" for  people who do not
> use Gnome nor KDE. Simple logic that such a diversity makes no sense
> at all.

You clearly care about MCC, cool. But respect other people's opinion.
I'd like to clarify more, but IMO, the mention freedesktop.org standard
should be clear enough.

> It would only make sense if Gnome was a Linux system of its own. Which
> it is clearly not.

You're assuming things I did not state. Such as that there is nothing
outside of GNOME, etc.

To make clear: I think it is stupid that various distributions have
their own specific configuration tools. That should be shared across
Secondly, I think you should be able to do everything from within System

Two different points, not one.


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