[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

Dimitrios Glentadakis dglent at gmail.com
Sun Mar 11 12:59:47 CET 2012

Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, "Wolfgang Bornath" <molch.b at googlemail.com> a écrit :
> 2012/3/11 Luc Menut <lmenut at free.fr>:
> > Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a écrit :
> >>
> >> Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste:
> >
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>> Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same
> >>> bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled
> >>> with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So
> >>> bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting.
> >>>
> >> I haven't looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks
> >> as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?).
> >> Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using
> >> "--no-suggests".
> >
> >
> > I don't agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be
> > installed, and shouldn't be removed. A kde install without handbooks is
> > damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to
> > work on handbooks if each distrib don't install its work?
> > That's why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should
> > *requires* its handbook (but probably it won't work with LiveCD).
> I don't agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the
> KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake
> "good to have" for "must have". I'm using KDE but only few KDE
> applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail
> when I don't even install these applications? I would happily
> de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar
> packages from installation.
> In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you
> misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and
> important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not
> be forced on those who don't want/need it.
> I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and
> translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must
> use it if they don't need it.
> --
> wobo

I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use.
While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook
it is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is
missing or it has to be installed manualy?

As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the
handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never
be installed without its documentation.
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